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Winners Announced for ThyssenKrupp Elevator Architecture Award 2008-2009
Posted: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 |

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The winners of the XI edition of the ThyssenKrupp Elevator Architecture Award were announced earlier today.  2967 teams, consisting of 4651 architects from 106 countries, registered for the competition. 926 total projects were received by the deadline.  And the winners are…

First Prize: Dubai Frame by Fernando Donis (Netherlands)

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Dubai is a city full of emblems, Rather than adding another one, we propose to frame them all: to frame the city. Rather than building a massive structure, the purpose of this project is to build a void. This void of 150 meters by 105 meters will continuously frame the development of the current and future Dubai.

Second Prize: Magic Mirror by Luo Siwei (China)

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The magic mirror we design is a twisted cirque structure, which is 160 meters in diameter.  We set some kind of special fountain system and specialized water equipment system in the cirque, which can turn water into rain, snow, fog, Lunt and hailstone that is to perform several kinds of weather phenomena.  The magic mirror can rotate in 360 degrees, which can bring all the view around into the frame.

Third Prize (tied):  The Flying Colors of Dubai by Hongbo Lu (Canada)

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Third Prize (tied):  Big Beam by Marta Pozo (France) & Ferrán Yusta (Netherlands)

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Third Prize (tied):  The Mirage by Alejandro Rios (Spain)

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For more information about these projects, full details can be downloaded from the ThyssenKrupp Elevator Architecture Award website.



Comments:
anonymous
nyc
Thursday, May 07, 2009
Is this a joke?

anonymous
nyc
Thursday, May 07, 2009
Zaha was the "star" jury member meant to give credibility to the process yet she was mysteriously absent from the final jury. There was not even a mention of her in the press release.
Judge the results for yourself.

Kevin S. Marion
NC, USA
Thursday, May 07, 2009
I think the 2nd place and the third place winners show some merit but the sad excuse for a proposal that was selected as the grand prize winner... pathetic. I'm guessing about 15 minutes was spent on the design and production of the whole project. I am also waiting to here that the selection is a joke. On Zaha, my guess is that she voluntarily left the jury when "Dubai Frame" was allowed to continue past the first round of cuts!

citicritter
Thursday, May 07, 2009
St. Luis Arch minus the beauty or finesse

anonymous
nyc
Thursday, May 07, 2009
On behalf of the 900 plus competitors who spent significant time and money to unknowingly enter this shameful farce, I'll repeat the question. Is this a joke? If not, the so-called jury, competition sponsor and Dubai Municipality officials should be embarrassed to issue this verdict. This undoubtedly will prevent thousands of well-intentioned serious architects from entering this type of International competition in the future. I think those who submitted should be outraged.

JBL
NY
Thursday, May 07, 2009
Some copy-paste work from the Competition Brief so you think it twice before getting into these things...

(...)"The same structure should serve to promote tourism and other recreational, scientific and cultural activities, its architectural conception must endeavor to create spaces suitable for achieving these aims under optimal ambient and functional conditions."(...)

(...) "The proposal must preserve, consider and incorporate the landscape elements adjacent to the Competition Site." (...)

(...) "The proposal shall contain up to 2 storey podium for cultural and conference facilities. The latter shall include local children library; and a conference space" (...)

(...) "The proposal shall contain a café (total floor area 150 sq.m) at higher appropriate altitude" (...)

" Disqualifications

3. If it fails to comply with the programme as regards atmospheres, functions and capacities."

JBL
NY
Thursday, May 07, 2009
Some copy-paste work from the Competition Brief ...

(...)"The same structure should serve to promote tourism and other recreational, scientific and cultural activities, its architectural conception must endeavor to create spaces suitable for achieving these aims under optimal ambient and functional conditions."(...)

(...) "The proposal must preserve, consider and incorporate the landscape elements adjacent to the Competition Site." (...)

(...) "The proposal shall contain up to 2 storey podium for cultural and conference facilities. The latter shall include local children library; and a conference space" (...)

(...) "The proposal shall contain a café (total floor area 150 sq.m) at higher appropriate altitude" (...)

" Disqualifications

3. If it fails to comply with the programme as regards atmospheres, functions and capacities."

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Pl
Thursday, May 07, 2009
I believe it is very interesting that the winner Fernando Donis has already designed two towers in Dubai (Renassaince Tower and Porshe Design Towers) in Dubai and what's more they're both based on ... square shape.

Architect101
Friday, May 08, 2009
Don't dwell on it..
Anyone with basic knowledge of art / architecture/ structure can tell that this is a joke.
I'm glad Zaha and the other 2 jury members did not participate in the shameful result.
The winners are probably as surprised as we are!!

chet
Friday, May 08, 2009
this is a f***ing joke!!! its really surprising that no one among the selected winners complied to what the design brief is...shame on to the jurors, you should go back to school and study architecture again...

arch
Friday, May 08, 2009
i have expected more information about the process of the award.
It would be great to see also other proposals, at least the 106 who were approved for the
following stage.

Spanish Architect
Friday, May 08, 2009
I am surprised
I am a Spanish architect.
I think the winner would be a more elaborated and technical project.
I thought it would be difficult to win against teams of 20 people from big Architecture Offices with very detailed plans, and I noticed some of the chosen projects are very simple in their technical and structural definition.
I am surprised.
I have taken part on the competition on my own, and I sent my project of an esbelt super-tower for Dubai.

mitela
dhaka
Friday, May 08, 2009
hehe a frame ?, the dubai ppl. r obviously trying to save money, thts y they must have chosen this photo frame to build !
outrageous n so ridiculous !

No Justice
Friday, May 08, 2009
Fernando Donis = Rem Koolhaas ... too much coincidence??


http://www.oma.eu/index.php?option=com_projects&view=portal&Itemid=10&id=441

»» see the project credits

JOCAS
Friday, May 08, 2009
MR. KOOLHAS!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!! WE KNOW YOU ARE BEHIND THIS FAKE. Mr.Donis is your partner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kul
Friday, May 08, 2009
i think the first prize is just ok

it doesnt matter how many minutes were spent to design this project i think it simply works, such a huge frame would be stunning

anonymous
nyc
Friday, May 08, 2009
This group of shameless clowns should be called out. They owe the participants an explanation. How is it possible that these jurors came to this conclusion?
The jury of:
Javier del Pozo Portillo, Dalila ElKerdany, Nabil Gholam, Imad Hassan, Rafael de la Hoz, Josep Lluis Mateo, Tarek Naga, Antonio Ortiz; , Roxy Binno, . Cino Zucchi and Alfonso Vegara, Jaime Duro along with Hussain Nasser Lootah, Thyssenkrupp representatives and let's not forget the missing in action Zaha. What happened to her?

One thing is for sure, if any of these poor excuses for architectural jurors are associated with a competition in the future, DON'T ENTER! If Thyssenkrupp is the sponsor, DON'T ENTER, and if the Dubai Municipality hosts a competition, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, MONEY AND INTELLECT!

strange verdict
indore
Friday, May 08, 2009
reccession speaks ...this was not expected by brave dubai ..........its just a an agenda of saving money through a poor structure

rayray
usa
Friday, May 08, 2009
its all OK, the client will probably not pay for atleast 220 days and then negotiate a reudction

JBL
NY
Friday, May 08, 2009
NOT A JOKE, A SCANDAL.

IF ARCHITECTS EVALUATE LIKE THIS, YOU NOW CAN UNDERSTAND WHY ARCHITECTS’ VALUE IS WHERE IT IS.

A DOG BITING ITS OWN TAIL…

NO POSITIONING WORK, NO STRUCTURAL WORK, NO MATERIAL WORK, NO COLOR WORK, NO LIGHTS WORK, NO PROPORTIONS WORK, NO PERSPECTIVE WORK, NO GRAPHIC WORK, NO PROGRAM WORK, NO WORK AT ALL......HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY FOR IT? ......US$100.000?, MAYBE IF YOU HAVE OIL MONEY TO WASTE, BUT WHAT HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD?.

SO THAT PEOPLE STANDING IN THE HAPPY PICTURE OF THE JURY OWE AN EXPLANATION NOT ONLY TO THE PARTICIPANTS, BUT TO ALL ARCHITECTS.

DID THEY VALUE THE IDEA?
DON'T FOOL YOURSELF, THERE'S NO IDEA EITHER. HOW CAN YOU GET THE IDEA OF AN APPLE IF YOU DON'T EXPERIENCE ITS COLOR, FLAVOR, TEXTURE, WEIGHT, SMELL, ETC.

NO WORK=NO IDEA.

WHAT IT IS THERE IS AN INTENTION, BUT THAT'S JUST THE STARTING POINT OF A PROJECT.

WHAT IF YOU ASK FOR A BURGER AND THE WAITER SAYS..."I'LL PUT IT IN A BOX"......AND YOU NEVER GET THE BURGER....HA?

WELL, LET'S SEE THE POSITIVE SIDE, AT LEAST THIS IS HARD TO HIT WITH A FIREWORK....

happy designer
uae
Friday, May 08, 2009
Dubai Municipality has announced that there has been a terrible mistake:

"ironically, there was another competition running along side this: for a "special" type of goal posts to be used by the U.A.E team in a bid to improve their scoring level... and they chose this as the winner"

by the way... i wonder how much people spent on this competition. i guess the majority would have spent on average about 3-5 weeks. some maybe 2-3 months!!! plus expenses costs!!! poor you.

i feel great for not entering this, but i am really looking forward to entering the next one.

better luck for the next Thyssenkrupp competition to you all.

moodyHawk
Egypt
Saturday, May 09, 2009
LOL the second prize looks like the Gateway Arch in Jefferson National Expansion Memorial or i am getting in the conspiracy theory’s lool

DIDAH AHAZ
Belgium
Saturday, May 09, 2009
DEAR KUL... THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IDEA HAS BEEN ALREADY REALIZED AS A GATE TO SOUTH OF BRUSSELS: SCULPTURE DONE MANY YEARS AGO. VERY GOOD IDEA TO FRAME LA FORET DE SOIGNES smile
BUT WHAT THE HELL TO BUILD IT AGAIN IIIN DUBAI? ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS IDEA WON AN AWARD LAST YEAT IN AN INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION FOR THE 3CHEONGNA TOWER"IN SOUTH KOREA...REALLY A BIG SHAME FOR THIS HONORABLY JURY SUCH A LACK OF GENERAL COLTURE AND KNOWLEDGE WHAT HAPPEND IN THE WORLD ANESPECIALLY IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMPETITIONS! AND PLEASE TELL ME WHO KNOWS WHATHAPPENED TO THE MAIN ATTRACTION OF THIS COMPETITION: MADAM ZAHA HADID?

anonymous
nyc
Saturday, May 09, 2009
Next time anyone sees that a competition is "in conformity with UIA-UNESCO regulations", they will know not to bother because this organization is being used to legitimize what are obviously illegitimate competitions.
This type of crap makes a mockery of architecture and the competition process.
I hope that Bustler and other online venues will take a stand on behalf of the near one thousand participants who were totally screwed by this fraud.

t
Lisbon
Saturday, May 09, 2009
It is in our hands to stop this nonsense! This year edition of thyssenkrupp award was described as a huge success.
We should leave a clear statement to thyssenkrupp award organization and others that we appreciate the opportunity that is given to all of us, but our work should be respected and compared following the brief competition requirements available to all.
Otherwise, in some years architecture competitions will be insanely useless and a huge time/money black hole.
Because we care about this, and the world needs REAL ARCHITECTURE, we should leave a clear statement. If we don't participate in the next editions there will be a clear message, I think.

Jorge Luis Borges had this sentence;
Reality doesn't have the minimum obligation to be interesting but fiction does.

If we consider the winning proposal as being on a fictional context (due to its clear unfeasibility)
we have to consider that it is not very interesting.

I think we should create a public gallery were we can post our fictional and interesting version of the winning proposal.

Even if you don't have hands!!!! You will be able to do better renders using only your feet!!!

tma
Vienna
Sunday, May 10, 2009
"where amazing happens"

Spanish Architect
Sunday, May 10, 2009
Links to projects he has taken part in:
http://www.designscene.net/2008/12/dubai-renaissance-by-oma.html
http://www.dezeen.com/2007/07/19/jeddah-international-airport-by-oma/
http://www.oma.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=6

One lecture in Mexico:
http://www.monterreyforum2007.org/index.php?contentID=354

I am surprised because I thought the winner would be a more detailed project, showing the plans with drawings of the spaces with the required surface in m2 of the programmes indicated in the conditions, and also showing more technical issues about the structure and the construction, at least a conceptual scheme to build it (materials, loads, dimensions of the required structure, process for building it).

I would have prefered the winner was a nice idea, but more developed in a technical way, at least conceptually, to make it more real, in the entry for the competition.

If it shows a beam of 5 m of height for a distance of about 100-120m, I would like to know what material this beam is made of. If he is thinking about steel or a more resistant material...
If he has calculated the height of the beam with the weigtht of the own beam and of the people on it...

I would like to know the geometry of these long beams. I would like to know how the fachades are, if you can see through the beams when you are in top space...

I would like how the inclination of the pillars is calculated for the wind load or earthquakes. It´s clear the two pillars are not absolutly in the same plane as if it was a football goal, but I would like to know more about the real estability of this geometry of three "posts".

In conclusion, I thought the winner would show or give more information about the concepts of structure and construction.

One thing is the form and another thing is how you think to build it. It is very important to show or give information about these ideas of construction.

arki pinoy
singapore
Sunday, May 10, 2009
I just hope that bustler will do something to reach the organizers and jurors of this competition with all this comments and sentiments. It’s really a big disappointment that this is happening in architecture world, this is an insult to a noble profession, a slap to the face who took part and put their intellect to this international competition. I agree with Spanish Architect, the concept or schematic design must be presented with LOGICAL AND TECHNICAL knowhow of structure, materials and construction and not just a plain concept in which the jurors tend to neglect and ignore. These are even states and define in the competition brief but I think the jurors never realize all these things; they simple set their own rules in choosing the winners. If you carefully read and studied the design brief, no one among the selected winners had complied.

Dubai architect
Dubai
Sunday, May 10, 2009
I suggest we start a blog or new thread at Skyscrapercity to publish the other / our own proposals. I feel seriously underwhelmed by all five prize winning schemes, but especially the first prize.

I'm not sure if it's a joke or a cop-out by Dubai - such a structure could never be built in this shape and proportion, not to even speak of compliance with regulations of fire escape in a public building...

MarcoDg
Barcelona
Sunday, May 10, 2009
IT IS OUTRAGEOUS!!

IS AN INSULT TO ALL ARCHITECTS AND TO ARCHITECTURE!!!

A FRAME?
A MIRROR??
FLYING COLORS???

COMPETION WAS CALLED :"ThyssenKrupp Elevator Architecture Award"!!!!!!

SOMEBODY SHOULD STOP THIS MASSACRE AND THE INAPPROPRIATE USE OF
WORD"ARCHITECTURE".

IM TIRED OF THIS KIND OF BULLSHIT AND I DON'T WANNA BE ASHAMED TO BE AN ARCHITECT!

Enigma
BENELUX
Sunday, May 10, 2009
I agree to join a common protest to ThyssenKrupp and to Sheikh Mohammed Al Maktoum

Enigma
BENELUX
Sunday, May 10, 2009
By the way, the name of the authorof Big Beam - Marta Pozo, sounds very familiar wink

MarcoDg
Barcelona
Sunday, May 10, 2009

Jason Shirriff
San Leandro, California
Monday, May 11, 2009
I just want to say, I think it has all been said above.
I am glad I didnt submit for this but chose to spend the time with family prior to the deadline.

I did do 5 design drawings that I will be completing in the next month or two.

I think a website of all the other entries is a great idea.
I really want to see what everyone did.

hmmm
USA
Monday, May 11, 2009
No person forming part of the Promoter Groups, Jury, Coordinators, their members, collaborators, colleagues
or employees or close relatives may enter the competition, nor may they make any professional contact
with any participants in the Competition phase.

carlos kolum
España
Monday, May 11, 2009
Jamas en mi vida vi un fraude tan grande, los responsables deben devolver todo el dinero e indemnizar por daños y perjuicios a los participantes.
Deberiamos demandar judicialmente ante la Haya.
Estos no pueden burlarse de la arquitectura de esta manera. Las bases y condiciones deben respetarse o de lo contrario es un fraude y se puede demandar judicialmente con abogados. Unamonos y demandemos y demos un buen ejemplo.
Si alguien tiene un blog donde podamos unirnos y contratar un buen abogado hagamoslo y todos juntos iniciemos una demanda.
Favor si alguien habla ingles traduzca este texto.

El Tarado
elsewhere
Monday, May 11, 2009
I won't do the Drogba thing yelling "this is a f***ing disgrace", but the truth is that it is... For more reasons than what we can initially think...

Jurors should have a bit more of self-respect, considering that they are gonna face the shame of being part of such a bad joke.

If Dubai owes something to Mr. Donis, there are more fair ways to solve that. If Thyssen-Krupp owes something to OMA, there are more fair ways to solve that... If Rem, dear Rem Koolhaas is still trying to show to the world how unfair the architectural competitions are... I think he should demonstrate it without spitting in the eye of almost 1.000 teams...

Considering the works by Mr Donis at Dubai, and the OMA influence in the region, it's not rare at all that Zaha suddenly evaporates from the jury... I repeat, it's not rare at all.

Further beyond all the outrageous irony this result could bring to us, there are possible legal actions to be taken, considering that there were a legal contract between the teams participating and the jury… that contract is the briefing which has been absolutely ignored in each one of its points. I repeat; IGNORED, resulting in an adulterated competition. That simple fact, if pushed by all together in a legal sense (this is, with lawyers), can quash the jury result. This is not a joke, or let’s say, we cannot leave it this way. We cannot allow them to be a joke. This is SO SERIOUS.

How can we tell the world that architecture is a serious, respectful and trusty profession when even in a so advertised international competition the result is faked? Untill the day that we (all the profession) stop permitting this kind of bad jokes, we won’t be respectful at all.

We are not going to discuss the obvious, which is the absurd, insanely disgraceful level of the awarded… some of them constitute a reasonable background for the winner… But we cannot let this cowards named “jury” to tell the world that these pile of brainless proposals are the best of architecture nowadays…

N O W A Y

Diego
Argentina
Monday, May 11, 2009
Have also a look at this:
http://www.skyscraperlife.com/447252-post44.html
Fernando Donis yet had done this project in... Buenos Aires, and with more details!

anonymous
nyc
Monday, May 11, 2009
This just is not right!

whowhatwhere
USA
Monday, May 11, 2009
Wow. What an uninspiring result. If Dubai weren't already architecturally dead, it sure is now. The jury had a chance to make a statement and unfortunately they did, albeit the completely wrong one.

arch
Toronto
Monday, May 11, 2009
What a joke! Why should Architect's participate in what is obviously a sham competition? It's fitting that this comes out of Dubai.

anonymous
nyc
Monday, May 11, 2009
Let's call it Karma...............Zaha's Guangzhou Opera House is in flames!

hmmmmm
USA
Monday, May 11, 2009
I'm a little at a loss as to how Donis could have done so much work in Dubai, yet manage to have avoided having professional contact with either the Honorary chairman, H.H. Sheikh Hamdan Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Deputy Ruler of Dubai and Chairman of Dubai Municipality and UAE finance minister, or for that matter honorary vice-chairman H.E. Hussein Nasser Lootah, Director General of Dubai Municipality

Design 101
USA
Monday, May 11, 2009
I , as a participant, had some time to think about the outcome and have reached these conclusions:
First Prize Winner:
I think most of us know by now who ( which Firm ) the first prize winner is. In my opinion the "Decision Makers" knew the identities of most of the participants and wanted to make sure an Internationally Famous Architect ( or Firm ) gets the First Prize. Financially it makes sense no matter how controversial the design ( in this case : Incomplete and noncompliance as well ) . They have paid for the schematic design fee in form of "First Prize " and Know they have hundreds of other Ideas from other participants to pick parts from and complete the picture ( you see...this is why the submission was incomplete and most of the information was not shown..... ).
Please do not misunderstand, I have a lot of respect for the work the wining "Firm" has done. They do good work, but I think this has stained their reputation . I'm not sure who had what connections and who knew whom etc.....But it is definitely:
A financial decision to have another structure in the city by another famous Firm .
We were naive in thinking that the final outcome will be based on Talent & Good Design !.

Here is a suggestion for those who are interested:
Let's have a website where the rest of us can post their submissions for all to see.
1-This way we can vent a little more grin
2- See others work
3- Make a record of our submissions !

About The BIG BEAM:
I can even bring myself to comment on this one. I'm Puzzled. All I can do is Smile ....boy oh boy

I would love to know why Zaha Hadid did not participate in the jury?
Anyone?

Paul Petrunia
Los Angeles, CA
Monday, May 11, 2009
Please note, Bustler is compiling a list of projects submitted for this project, for publication shortly. If you submitted an entry to this competition, please send images and a text description of your project to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

i joined
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
To the jurors namely;

Dalila ElKerdany, Nabil Gholam, Imad Hassan, Rafael de la Hoz, Josep Lluis Mateo, Tarek Naga, Antonio Ortiz; With the architect of the Dubai Municipality, Roxy Binno, acting as Secretary of the Jury and Jaime Duro represents the UIA.

can you please answer this;

"The built form should provide a meaning and symbolizing the significant new face of Dubai and/or refer to its historical development.
The designer may consider any appropriate innovative forms, construction technique, and materials.
The proposal shall be responsive to local climate condition and the green building principles where appropriate; townscape and scenic aspects; and wind-force and seismic aspects in the region."

come on!!!
were not stupid and so you are if you dont understand this, this was written in the brief and our design were based on these...if you really followed and considered this statements, your selected winners will not even get any single points to proclaimed as the winner. we are not envy to them, in fact we feel sad...very very sad because your judgement is unprofessional, bias and brainless. you are a disgrace to architecture.

now if you are brave enough to answer all this things and to prove that we are wrong and that your selection process were accordance to the competion brief, please have the courage to post in the web all the nearly 1,000 submitted design so that everyone will get a chance to see for themselves and get to know the real thing.

I concur to the initiative of Bustler to gather all the submitted design. please set the deadlines for this and if ever give us more information about the submission process and the posting details so that everybody will be kept inform. and if ever please give us the initial details by posting on your web just the number(s) of participants that already submitted their design in your site so that we will know if we can reach the 926 submitted projects (minus the so called winners).

Superchicharron
London
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
I really don't understand why we get mad. This is something we are all familiar the nature of competitions......

Competitions are bias and not fair, that's the way they are.

Sometimes competitions are within this tiny circle of honchos architects.. They pass along projects together...

Sometimes competitions are bought out.. Sometimes competitions are a cover up to give this image of "let everyone participate" when in fact the architect has been chose, clearly example the TAIWAN PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WON BY MR KOOLHAS.

Competitions are about making money.

COMPETITIONS WOULD NEVER BE ABOUT SELECTING THE RIGHT PROJECT.....

Sorry enjoy the competitions for what they are, another exercise, and just watch out for scams where they make you pay..

cskm.workshop
france
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Make a list of projects submitted is a very good idea, we will send you our project. If somebody wants to see it, you can see the project by following the address http://www.pierresaunal.com/pages/NEW_200901_thyssenkrupp_award_2008-1336616.html

anonymous
nyc
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Let me explain it to you. "Invited" or "Limited" or "multi-stage" competitions are used by dishonest promoters to deliver projects to specific architects. They are also a venue for a small group of architects to pass projects to one another. This practice is reprehensible for sure, but invited architects are often compensated or will get the next one, or aren't invited to participate at all.
This crapfest however, is an entirely different affair. This is an "International", "open" competition held under the UIA Unesco guidelines designed specifically to prevent what has occurred. These types of competitions, and specifically those governed by the UIA cannot be used by fraudulent promoters, sponsors, jury members and governments to screw thousands of architects around the world out of their time and money. This is simply FRAUD, and cannot be tolerated.
This is more than enough reason to be outraged.

Design 101
USA
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
To Bustler Worldwide:
Can the link to this page be emailed to others through this website?

Design 101
USA
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
cskm.workshop ( PERPETUAL MOTION ):
Very nice presentation.....Bravo on your effort and hard work.

vardanyan 24850 Armenia
Super Competition
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Your indignation and resentment once again proves that Competition managed. Organizers, jury and dear H.H. Sheikh Hamdan Bin Rashid Al Maktoum have got that wanted.
In due course the Eiffel Tower was scandalous and was too subject to indignation on the part of architect and society of that time.
Dear, the most light H.H. Sheikh Hamdan Bin Rashid Al Maktoum not in vain all time prompted that he wants to see on idea its, on spirit, on catatonic building to look like the Eiffel Tower.
I boldness came short do that that scandalous what have done the boys occupied 1 and 2 places.
At first I have conceived that that like, but I have stopped my too serious approach to condition of the contest and fear that can disqualify.
Congratulate colleague to bear the palm, as well as H.H. Sheikh Hamdan Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, H.E. Hussein Nasser Lootah, Javier del Pozo Portillo
and jury.
Well, there was look at all 162 projects of the first selection. Possible ask the organizer make this.
One single gap organizer that no transparencies and all work could be published.
My project 24850 can look here:
dubai-vardanyan-v.narod.ru

form1
USA
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
I'm more with Superchicharron on the rage issue. There is more damage to be done to yourself with too many angry tirades than will be done to anyone else. There is also the issue of being basically decent to the folks who did win. You are critiquing real people, and throwing mud on them is not fair without enough information, which we ultimately don't have.

That being said, it is fair to criticize in the name of progress, and I would have to say that these results don't seem to be the best. The winner in particular seems undercooked, and basically says no more about the program than that the base will be great. There is no real environmental connection, or contextual connection, or tie-in to the culture, and that's a bit dissapointing.

There's a basic question of how should a competition be judged? Despite my not liking the frame at all, if flaky sketch schemes were eliminated, the Sydney opera house never would have been built.

anonymous
nyc
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
What rage issue are you referring to? From what I have read, most or all of the comments have been directed at the competition process made suspect by the results, not the winners themselves. Winning is good, running a fraudulent competition is bad. Sydney Opera house "sketchy" submission should not be used to justify this.
The two are not related.

cskm.workshop
france
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Design 101:
Thank you. We hope that we will see very soon the other projects.

daddy
Braine-l'Alleud
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
In fact I like very much this 'Korean" idea (I mean the awarded concept from Cheongna CITY TOWER Design in Incheon). It is even more romantic. However the designer has neglected the competition requirements and should be disqualified ;(. Oh yesss!

Orhan Ayyüce
Los Angeles
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
As usual, a twisted take from yours truly at elseplace. thank you bustler for images...

form1
USA
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
I'm not sure that proposing to use so many resources for a snarky commentary is in any way morally above any other excess in Dubai. Nor is it decent to mock the honest efforts of others to produce positive commentary.

Maybe the world has a place for "I only reflect the negative around me" sorts of commentary, but architecture is not that place. The responsibility is too high to not be as constructive as one is able, no matter how bad the world is.

Design 101
USA
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Orhan Ayyüce,
There was at least one other submission with the same idea of Simply Framing the city of Dubai .....and not competing with it
And that submission showed all the necessary and required information
Such as: Circulation, stairs, elevators, parking, The Base, Conference rooms, restaurants, DIMENSIONS , Scale, Entrances, Exits etc....
Read the competition briefing and requirements , you will know what I mean.
The point here is ( in my opinion ) the First Prize Winner did not meet the requirements !
Other than that ,,, Look at the scale of people shown at the top of the frame and compare that with the scale of the frame itself.
Not to mention the high desert wind ( the heat ) and people getting blown away if the top is as open as it is shown on the renderings.
There is a clear disconnect ...
The scale does not work...but that is getting too technical for which the submission should qualify first.

Design 101
USA
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
I Agree :
Bustler reader Chino Colorin made an interesting observation regarding Fernando Donis’ competition winning “Dubai Frame” proposal: “...where the idea of the winning scheme was to frame Dubai, it’s important to note the orientation and location of the frame relative to the city. So, what’s represented in the one and only view through the frame is fictional, so the question is what exactly is being framed?”
Link:
http://www.bustler.net/index.php/article/any_love_for_the_losers_of_thyssenkrupp_elevators_dubai_competition/

MAM
USA
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
If you look on europaconcorsi.com, you will see that there were 3 or 4 more giant rings, all more developed......

form1
USA
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
To be fair, there is a picture of a cross-section of the 2nd place ring out there - its just not being put up on most sites.

t908104
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
ahahahaha!!!
perfect! it´s brilliant!
i love it!!!

but what does this decision actually mean?

most (if not all other) proposals follow the same old dubai-specific technology features loaded engineering. i never read so many angry comments against any tasteless, empty of meaning, technology-loaded project.

why is it alright to design according to the concept of we-have-the-money-you-built-a-big-"whatever"-for-us-to-show-how-much-we-have-and-what-we-can-do-with-it, but it is disregarded as a joke if this "whatever" is something like the first price?

yes, the first price is simpl(isticl)y some kind of unsophisticated conception, a 1st grade pre-symbolism (not even that), a joke.
but it manifests itself perfectly according to the "dubai condition of the big WHATEVER", and if we believe in coherence between context, concept and outcome (in which unfortunately we still believe in and towards which we always aim), it is -among most of the other published proposals- undoubtedly the only ARCHITECTURAL approach.

the first price is not more ridiculous than to design a spectacle of colors, glass, projections, waterfalls etc (if the project is not a circus) or to create a geometrical spectacle with yesterdays´ parametric design "approach".

if designing a ridiculous project with zero meaning, i prefer to do that spending 5min on photoshop rather than 3 weeks of hardcore fulltime 3dmodeling and rendering by all my interns.

this decision is architecturally and historically remarkable.
finally! dubai has officially announced the new era of "conceptual whatever-ism".
and i´m not kidding.

anonymous
nyc
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
"conceptual whatever-ism" could be something that teenage girls ponder; however, it is really just a naive misuse of language with no meaning at all and it is not germane to the conversation about the validity of competition process. As it turns out, the winner doesn't need cheer-leading or support from language hacks because he has already won. He will get a cash prize for his...oops almost said effort, and move on to the next one.

Lawrence Doyle
USA
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
I think that the frame has been disregarded as a joke because it does not do justice to the core statements of the the project intentions. I'm not criticizing it for disregarding the stated rules - I love a broken rule - but for disregarding the essence of the program itself. For myself, program is one of the bedrocks of a project, and one of the main ways that a project may both serve the client and have something to say.

Unanonimous
Zaklikowo
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Dears I dont understand why my 2 last interventions vanished from this forum?

Unanonimous
Zaklikowo
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Oh sorry, I placed them in the "other dimension" of this forum...Out of Zaklikowo smile Please focus on one discussion forum only and comment the (Non)-Winners Announced for ThyssenKrupp Elevator Architecture Award 2008-2009 on this page.
But back here; does somebody have any idea how to sentence internationally this competition issue and its jury members?

anonymous
nyc
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
YIKES........

# Zaha Hadid’s Opus - a £235m development in Dubai’s Business Bay for Omniyat Properties. The 20-storey scheme, which will be next to the 800m tall Burj Dubai, will have 770,000ft2 of commercial space. Hadid said: “The idea is to create an opening on to the city and to frame these views.”

joshua
london
Saturday, May 16, 2009
obviously the winner is more clever than all of you,
when you look at all the entries they all look like beauty peagents, winner is simple unique

apisan
Toronto
Saturday, May 16, 2009
Softwares, softwares and more softwares.
The planning and desingning era is dead.
They sit on 3DS MAX for two hours and then call engineers to build this multmillion unconventions digital made structures. There is nothing of Architecture on all of it. SHAME!

MAM
USA
Saturday, May 16, 2009
Clever, hmmm you're right, obviously if you win a competition without submitting a scheme, you must be clever. The one's who cannot claim to be clever are those who think the winner represented an idea of value and those who selected the winner.
And yes, the selected submission is simple(as in simple), but it is far from unique as most know.

LS
SF
Saturday, May 16, 2009
Adapt apisan. Software is your friend, a tool much like the set square and pencil. I see lots of strong realizable ideas in the gallery: the Leaves Tower and the Ma'alam Dubai to name a few.

BTW, I like the Storyteller in a surreal way...bizzarely 1950s sci-fi...

joshua
london
Sunday, May 17, 2009
mam

why do you comment on my comments, make your comments
if you dont have a comment just go watch american pop idol or play baseball.
and dont comment on this

Mr M
München
Sunday, May 17, 2009
R I D I C U L O US

square, circle, triangle -

it is almost minimal.

R I D I C U L O US

LK
LA
Sunday, May 17, 2009
the project that won didn't have the sexiest renderings, but at least it had something to say.
A lot of the proposals that people think should have won were just baroque for the sake of being baroque, as if dubai doesn't have enough of that already.

LK
LA
Sunday, May 17, 2009
additionally, if one of the more baroque (and equally structurally unsound) projects had won, no one would be offering the "that's unbuildable" criticism which seems so prevalent in this forum. The results are a clear rejection of an aesthetic system which values excess, and that is what seems to be getting people so upset.

MAM
USA
Sunday, May 17, 2009
There are so many architectural luminaries helping us to understand the results. The "Frame" had something to say, the others are "baroque" and we are upset about the "rejection of an aesthetic system which values excess". I now see how I completely misunderstood the situation, thanks for adding more nonsense to the discussion.

Lawrence Doyle
USA
Sunday, May 17, 2009
I would have argued such, certainly. And I would also argue that to set off the "baroque excess" of Dubai in a frame is not by any means to transcend it. This particularly in light of the fact that the frame declined in any way, shape, or form to engage the programmatic intent of the competition. Far from having something to say beyond baroque excess, the frame swims in its world.

In counter, if you suggest that what the frame actually has to say is a sort of critique in the negative, then I would counter that that is not any better a path to the future. It is a cheap path, and adds little.

waxman
London
Monday, May 18, 2009
to LS and apisan ... in my opinion software really is a problem here. We are becoming so detached from the actual process of building a building that the results are just image making. OK for a film but not for real life. It is not a matter of whether software is a tool like a pencil but whether software has taken over. ... then the sheikh walks in the room, points at the prettiest picture and to hell with architecture. I am sure that is why Zaha removed herself from the process

Rick
Cremona, Italy
Monday, May 18, 2009
The jury decision is simply inexcusable. I don't care who Donis is or represents. All the three winning projects (possibly with the exception of "Mirage" seem like three bad projects from a 1st year student in architecture; moreover they are clearly unrealizable without changing shape and dimensions: you have not to be a great technician to realize that a "water wall" on a circle 160m high is a joke or that the winning design needs to double its section to stand the wind loads. So the question is: were the jurors simply tired after having seen 1000 projects or there is "something rotten in the city of Dubai"?
Do you remember the winning design of the "repere Olympique" competition in Paris some years ago? Great names in the jury and a winning design clearly fake, so when they built it was something completely different. This results are much much worse.

LS
SF
Monday, May 18, 2009
waxman, good point. but I'd opine design and construction have been separated since early modernism and the emergence of bid/ award contracts. We architects have tarted up images for years- from Corb's UN proposal to OMA's CCTV. What sexy images do provide are ideals to aspire to: they catch the imagination of the client and push the design and construction teams to seek innovative solutions to integrate fire/ life safety systems, structural systems, energy etc...and yes, like the Burj technology emerges to meet the challenge.

No lecture here, but would like to add:

Zaha doesn't do pretty images?

architecture first
usa
Monday, May 18, 2009
So far:
a) WOD Window of Dubai
b) Rise Up Sand
c) Elegant Curved Frame By: Bauer Dermel AIA ,USA
d) Elegant Circular Frame By: Piesniewski, Germany.
are , in my opinion, better design solutions in comparison with the winners.
a), c) & d) frame Dubai city in a tasteful way than others.

AkoZ
Finistère
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
if any wants to stop this "fail of imagination"... let 's build all together the next future architcture, and share your real knowledge to begin the process of the next era, for the Societal Architecture, come in the group and with some motivations, we will work for something, not the last toy of the "earth petroleum theft princes" (oops) .. but time is in transition, and so many things has to be temporarily re-thought and re-shared ...
come to the http://groups.to/futurarchitecture (facebook group for now, but e-learning, shared website next...) .

MDG
Barcelona>
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
Im totally agree whit waxman from London.
be an architect doesn't mean "voronoi cells" all over!!!!
To build spaces, study the history of the cities and understand the needs of the society!
Do images doen't make you an architect but a programs player/visual designer > in itself already another a big job!!! (...and unfortunately very fews are good to do that!)
so...
just to give the name at the right things,

Are we talking about Architecture??

Unanonimous
Zaklikowo
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
It is a very good statement MDG. Jury has forgotten here the meaning of Architecture. If we architects should express our understanding of what could symbolize this city from cultural and historical point of view and translate is in a constructible language, the visualization is not enough. Sections, plans and other architectural language tools are necessary to motivate and explain the feasibility of the idea. But please could you explain me what means the "voronoi cells"?

MDG
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
dear Zaklikowo

whit "voronoi cells" I mean to describe the "Hysteria" of architects, pseudo-architects and designers to design a particular diagram.
Im sure you know it!

search in google images and will appear!

sc hu yl er
nyc
Thursday, May 21, 2009
Kind of like it. Sorry everybody.

peterk
dubai
Wednesday, May 27, 2009
The whole competition process was a joke.
A complete waste of energy and time for trying to come up with creative ways structures could work.

The competition from the outset should have said
were not interested in Architecture which is so much more than conceptual image creating .


Being from Dubai I every day go past mundane
architecture and the few opportunities that exist such as competitions to come up with creative solutions a proposal to celebrate a void is to me missing the point . How framing existing and proposed mundane architecture can enhance Dubai isnt clear. Also the point of not wanting to add yet another structure to the existing set is accepting defeat. Its a very sad statement for Dubai which is founded on the principles of pushing the limits of creativity.

Kyoko
ny
Wednesday, May 27, 2009
it is surprising how thyssenkrupp elevators use their self-announced competition as advertisement for otis, schindler, mitsubishi, etc. to future-planners and architects just by over-obvious showing their incompetence.
Who seriously wanted to realise a project with thyssenkrupp? you wouldn't want to take their incompetence and bad prestige on-board, would you?

H. Bow
London
Monday, June 01, 2009
as any competition, this competition must be according to the law (in doubt dubai or international). that means, in order that the jury decision is agreed to be valid, ALL jury members have to be present.
there is no explanation or reason named, why 3 major jury memmbers are not part of the jury - it is not clear, if from the beginning or during the decision process.
thyssenkrupp lacks any notification, announcement or justification.
the final decision is not justified in any comment, nor any declaration is made how the winner could succeed without providing the rquierd information as indicated in the brief (contract).
if thyssenkrupp does not agree with this dubious and surprising result, it should set a sign in form of a statement or letting go of the head of the jury, Javier del Pozo Portillo, Chairman of ThyssenKrupp Elevator Business Unit Southern Europe, Africa & Middle East.
in any means, thyssenkrupp doesn't want this competition to appear as a transfer of an enourmous amount of money to a 'friend', avoiding taxes, as competiotion wins are usually tax-free or low-tax (ccording to the law as stated above).
some questions seem to be too interesting, not to be answered in a court....

studio dodici
japan
Thursday, May 26, 2011
I think the result is so outrageous that the sponsor should consider defaulting the competition.
Otherwise, the endorsement of ThyssenKrupp to this CRAP will end up as a boomerang for the company image.

iacopo
osaka
Thursday, May 26, 2011
We can laugh at this ludicrous result.
But I do not think that the 4000 people dedicating time, energies, money to compete will laugh...
There is a huge difference between sportively losing and being ridiculed!

aleks
paris
Wednesday, May 15, 2013
well...
- thanks to rem & oma !!!!! never mix private and public
- this is not an architecture !!!!!
- it is not respectfull to serious projects of many international studios !!!!!
- i hope this won't be built, that it was just a training, or why not...dubai sucks architecturally anyway !!!!!
- this size of the competition impose the second round and public opinion !!!!!
- who cares anyway...............

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